[LAFF] maybe causing more problems ?

[Shale Ari]

Well said Ash. They are Both Real, and they are fantastic. I don't  
consider the Fox Bowl to be so much a "split" but just a second meet.  
Freedom is about choice, and now people have more choices and  
opportunities to go bowling, or hang out with friends.  Both BZ and  
Fox Bowl have a good percentage of Fursuiters, so that's defiantly  
not missing. Both have.. oddly enough the same amount of bowlers...  
though with BZ's higher percentage it stands out. But everyone is  
doing a great job in making sure of ONE important thing. The majority  
of the attendees are having fun.  These meets have evolved into what  
they are based on the needs of the groups involved. But in the end,  
It seems like for things to be back to the way they were, the group  
needs to be smaller.  That's why there is a second meet, Not a split.  
There is no competition. they are on separate weekends. And as it  
currently stands i arrange the reservations for both.  Rayven and  
Blazger are clearly doing a great job at keeping the FB meet fun, and  
I'm doing my best to keep the BZ meet fun.

If anything BJ, i am simply correcting you assumptions on the state  
of the BZ meet. You've heard a lot of hear-say and much of it is  
exaggerated. I Attend and arrange, and while i may not see everything  
(i.e. Thank you Aiden for informing me of the new fursuit rules) , I  
see a lot more then someone who is against the meet or someone who  
does not attend.

I hope not to see any more discussion about what is Real and what is  
not. They are both outstanding furry events, and the organizers  
deserve respect for running them, be it Blazger and Rayven for the  
Fox Bowl Meet, Heath and Myself for the brunswick meet, or Ash and  
Butterscotch for setting up and starting what this has evolved into.

Thank you for you time
Shale Ari, Feline Bowling Ball

On Jul 3, 2007, at 11:26 AM, The Reverend Ash Maurice Cairo wrote:

> Hubbawhat? OK, this is the second time I've read that bowling was
> started for fursuiters to bowl. Now, in case you don't know who I am,
> I'm to thank for starting your local bowling event. How are y'all
> doin'? :)
>
> How this all started was that I wanted to go bowling during the
> summer. My league doesn't have games in the summer, but I just started
> to really get into the sport, had fun doing it, and wanted to improve
> or at least keep my game up. So I hatched a scheme... let's go
> bowling! And I remembered the perfect place to do it at as I was taken
> to a year or so prior to that... the Fox Bowl. The name alone screamed
> "FURRY!" So, the post was made. Only 4 people showed but hell, we
> bowling, I had a few beers, and it was fun. Then next month we did it
> again, and more people showed up, then more, then more.
>
> It wasn't until there was a brew-ha-ha on the list that the fursuiters
> got involved. In fact, I specifically remember stating that I was not
> going to call the Fox Bowl to ask about this as I'm not a 'suiter
> myself and I wasn't going to even start to try to explain what they
> wanted to do. I left it up to one of the 'suiters to call and I
> believe Quasi is the one who made the call to ask but please correct
> me if I'm wrong.
>
> We tacked on the dinner somewhere. I don't remember if it was before
> fursuiting or after.
>
> Then a few more months past and trouble starts brewing, but not in the
> way of people making solely making asses of themselves. Granted that
> was infuriating at times. First was the whining about "Why don't we
> switch alleys?! I want to shoot pool instead!" Then was the
> dry-humping, groping, fondling BS... could you please tell me what the
> hell lead to having a fan being layed out on a table, surrounded by
> other fans, and then starting to remove his belt and pants?!...
>
> Anyway, I couldn't keep up with the event. I had more and more
> personal and financial obligations to attend to. Butters' then took
> over, then she moved out of the area then Shale took the mantle of
> bowling god. Then a second event came up and Rayven and Blazger did
> their thang. All have done an excellent job keeping this event rolling
> despite of all the troublemakers and naysayers.
>
> As for having 2 separate events.... hay, that give me 2 weekends to
> bowl on if I have the time/money. No complaints here about that :) As
> for what's counts as real bowling, go drop a ball on your foot or go
> sliding head first into the lane. That's real.
>
> On 7/3/07, BJ Buttons <bj_buttons at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> I should know not to try to point anythign out here, as it will be  
>> be taken
>> the worng way. \
>>
>> I was not attempting to restart the "war", but was pointing out  
>> that one
>> should be careful on how one phrases stuff. Use of words like "The  
>> Real
>> furry bowling", espically after what did happen, is not a good  
>> idea, and
>> techincaly is wrong.  The solution to the bowling problem was to  
>> split in 2.
>>   While some didn't like this, it was the answer to the problem.  
>> The event
>> was started as a way for the fursuiters, to have a chance to bowl.  
>> It was
>> known as fursuit bowl.  Eventualy it eveloved to furry bowling,  
>> witch is
>> fine. I guess. But the main reason was for the fursuits to bowl.  
>> At Fox the
>> mangement WAS friendly, till the few mong the group decided to  
>> beave badly,
>> We HAD a privite changing area, the lanes wre at teh same level as  
>> the
>> regular floor, ie no step up or down, again fursuit friendly.   
>> Thanks to a
>> few that couldn't control themselfs, and the non fursuiters that  
>> was bored
>> at the fursuit bowling event, we were all but thrown out of Fox.  
>> So the
>> fursuit bowling evnet  is now furry bowling, the non suiters are busy
>> playing games other then bowling, not to may fursuits bowl anymore  
>> like in
>> its early days, there is a division between the people that to go,  
>> this
>> conversation is an example of that, and its not a good  
>> situation.   I knwo
>> several that have openly stated that they will not be back, some  
>> left while
>> we were still at fox over ehat was startign to happen, some after  
>> the move,
>> I am among that group.  I stoped bowling aobut 3-4 months before  
>> were warned
>> the 2nd time.
>>
>> IN its purest technical terms The real fursuit  bowling was :
>> dinner at Potillos hot dogs,
>> bowling at Fox in full fursuit.
>>
>> it evolved to :
>> Dinner at Bona beef,
>> bowling at Fox, with a crowd of non fursuiters , and a handful of
>> troublemakers causing problems because they couldn't control them  
>> selfs
>>
>> And currently is
>> Dinner at Bona
>> Bowling and other NON BOWLING stuff at BZ in Glendale Hights
>>
>> Whats going on today as fursuit bowling is not what it started out  
>> as.  AND
>> the way it all evolved, is not the REAL fursuit or furry bowling.  
>> IS it
>> fursuit bowling? yes, but its not the REAL fursuit bowling.
>> The REAL fursuit bowling is far from whats happens now.
>> THAT  was the point I was trying to make, but once again, no one  
>> can say
>> anything here about a touchy topic without it being taken way out of
>> proportion.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
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