From kfilseth at dishmail.net Sun Mar 1 08:46:34 2009 From: kfilseth at dishmail.net (Kristin Filseth) Date: Sun Mar 1 09:09:36 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] jungle cat DNA Message-ID: Hi, Does anyone out there know of a friendly jungle cat? There is a researcher Bill Murphy who is looking for DNA from a jungle cat -- a friendly jungle cat who's owner could provide a cheek swab from their mouth (involves rolling a qtip type brush on the cats gum or inner cheek) or a blood sample (for example if you are planning for your jungle cat to have anesthesia for a dental cleaning or other procedure a blood sample could be drawn for Dr. Murphy's study while the cat is asleep). Bill Murphy is a cat geneticist at Texas A&M, has been researching relatedness/family tree of the wild cats as welll as hybrid cat fertility. Here is a link to more info about his research: http://gene.tamu.edu/faculty_pages/faculty_MurphyW.php If you think you might have a cat that could help out please contact me at kfilseth@rockbridge.net Thanks, Kristin Demdar Savannahs kfilseth@rockbridge.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090301/acab832a/attachment.html From tagiar at earthlink.net Mon Mar 2 07:51:33 2009 From: tagiar at earthlink.net (Donna V.) Date: Mon Mar 2 07:53:55 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FW: [USZA] permission to cross post Message-ID: <3849-22009312135133921@earthlink.net> Donna & Gang The look of the Wild, the Heart of the tame. Wild @ Heart Highlanders http://wildathearthighlanders.com Walk on the Wildside http://walkonthewildside.org/ ;USZA@yahoogroups.com Sent: 3/1/2009 5:56:02 PM Subject: [USZA] permission to cross post IMPORTANT MESSAGE To all animal facilities in the United States, The United States Zoological Association (www.USZA.us) has been given the opportunity to organize a nationwide program, “Feeding the Animals Across America”, to offer free meat and produce to any animal facility that is interested in taking advantage of this program. We have 800 locations across the nation willing to donate, on a full time basis, USDA processed meat and produce to help feed our animals. We have three facilities that have been test facilities for this program and they have saved a combined total of $62,000 per month from this free meat and produce. Because this program has proven to be so successful during the testing phase, we are now ready to take this program nationwide. If you are interested in this free meat and produce program to feed your animals, please fill out the program application below and send it to the address provided by March 16, 2009. After we receive your application we will contact you with further information. We must get enough interest is this program to make this nationwide effort a success. If you know of any other animal facilities that may also be interested, please pass this information on to them. Please take advantage of this once in a lifetime chance to save thousands of dollars on your facility’s feed bills. You could use the money saved by this free meat and produce program to upgrade your facilities and become even more valuable to your community. Thank you for your interest in this program and I hope to hear from you soon! Sincerely, Joe Schreibvogel USZA Vice President Program Coordinator ________________________________________________________________________________ print this form and send it to the address provided at the bottom of this application “Feeding the Animals Across America” Program Application Name_________________________________________________________________ Facility name___________________________________________________________ Address_______________________________________________________________ City____________________________________State_____________Zip___________ Telephone______________________Email___________________________________ What species of animals are you feeding at your facility? ______________________________________________________________________ ______________________________________________________________________ Approximately how many pounds of meat do you feed per week?___________________ Approximately how many pounds of produce do you feed per week?_________________ Here is some basic information about this program; All program participants will be required to be a member in good standing of the USZA and must renew their membership on a yearly basis to remain in this program. Participants must take all the meat and produce that is offered to them on a regular basis. You do not have the option to turn down any delivery or part of a delivery. Any unused meat or produce must be legally disposed of by the program participants. It will be up to the program participants to make arrangements for pick up of their meat and produce at their designated pick up point. Pickups must be made on a regular basis or you will be dropped from the program. This meat and produce can not be resold for any purpose. The USZA, its Board of Directors and any affiliates are not responsible for any incidents of any kind which may result from your participation in this program. Would you be willing to allow your facility be a designated drop off point for regular meat and produce delivery where other participants can pick up their meat/produce at your facility?_______ Are you willing to travel to your designated drop off point to pick up your meat and produce on a regular basis?______ By signing this form you acknowledge you have read the basic info about this program and you are applying for participation in a nationwide free meat and produce program named “Feeding the Animals Across America”. After your application is processed, you will be contacted with further information about this program at which time you will be asked to fulfill the requirements for participation in this program before your acceptance is granted. Signature_____________________________________________________date___________________ Send this form to: Feeding the Animals Across America Rt 2 Box 67 Wynnewood, OK 73098 Questions? 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URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090302/c5346632/attachment.html From hawkcreekw at aol.com Tue Mar 3 08:11:00 2009 From: hawkcreekw at aol.com (Loretta aol) Date: Tue Mar 3 08:11:13 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] jungle cat DNA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C95BACB9B384594B34DB385EE0E91D2@Caracal> Hi, I would like to get info on caracals: enrichment, training, their development as they get older. I currently have a male african caracal that couldn't be sweeter or have better manners but I am told that they change at about 1 1/2 yrs old and even entering their cage can be dangerous. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I have bobcats, servals, an ocelot and a sib. lynx- other than the ocelot, I can safely go in any cage, scratch, groom and hand feed them. The ocelot is an ocelot, after 60 secs in her cage, you become a toy to chew, we can take her out on a leash and to programs, has to be kept busy to prevent biting. Thanks Loretta ----- Original Message ----- From: Kristin Filseth To: felines-l@catbox.com Sent: Sunday, March 01, 2009 9:46 AM Subject: [FEL-L] jungle cat DNA Hi, Does anyone out there know of a friendly jungle cat? There is a researcher Bill Murphy who is looking for DNA from a jungle cat -- a friendly jungle cat who's owner could provide a cheek swab from their mouth (involves rolling a qtip type brush on the cats gum or inner cheek) or a blood sample (for example if you are planning for your jungle cat to have anesthesia for a dental cleaning or other procedure a blood sample could be drawn for Dr. Murphy's study while the cat is asleep). Bill Murphy is a cat geneticist at Texas A&M, has been researching relatedness/family tree of the wild cats as welll as hybrid cat fertility. Here is a link to more info about his research: http://gene.tamu.edu/faculty_pages/faculty_MurphyW.php If you think you might have a cat that could help out please contact me at kfilseth@rockbridge.net Thanks, Kristin Demdar Savannahs kfilseth@rockbridge.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090303/ca8b505e/attachment.html From lynnculver at hughes.net Tue Mar 3 15:35:53 2009 From: lynnculver at hughes.net (Lynn Culver) Date: Tue Mar 3 15:45:16 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] register now for the April 25 Feline Husbandry Course in Lake Worth Florida Message-ID: <009501c99c49$4a28bfe0$0300a8c0@D27046F1> The next FCF Husbandry Course is Saturday, April 25 and will be hosted by Panther Ridge Conservation Center. The course is being held at the Sherbrooke Development Center, 6661 East Calumet Circle, Lake Worth, Florida. The class starts at 8:00 am and runs till 5:00 pm. The registration fee is $95 FCF-members, $130 others. Lodging nearby is: Holiday Inn, 561-968-5000 Hampton Inn, 561-472-5980 (both motels are on Lake Worth Road, right by the Turnpike) Airport: West Palm Beach, just 25 minutes away. This course covers wild feline species, regulatory agencies, facility design, nutrition, health care, behavior conditioning, handling equipment and contingency planning. For more information visit the Feline Conservation Federation web site at http://www.felineconservation.org/programs_services/husbandry_courses.htm On Sunday, April 26, students are invited to tour Panther Ridge Conservation Center, home to cheetah, jaguar, puma, panther, ocelot, serval and caracal to learn about the center's enclosures, felines, enrichment and husbandry practices. $15.00 tour fee charged. To register for this course and/or tour of Panther Ridge, send contact information and payment made out to: Panther Ridge Conservation Center 14755 Palm Beach Point Blvd Palm Beach, Florida 33414 The Basic Exotic/Wild Feline Husbandry Course has been recently completely updated making the course more valuable than ever. The nutrition section covers new materials on calcium and vitamins and diet designs. Health care has been updated with new information too. There are dozens of new photos of cages, fencing, materials and enrichments in the Facility section. The feline species section has better photos and better range maps. The student textbook is now 149 pages chock full of useful information to take home for future reference. For more information about Panther Ridge Conservation Center visit the website at: www.pantheridgesanctuary.org . You can use PayPal to send your registration fee payment to: pantheridge@aol.com. Include your name and address and phone number. Tour fee is $15.00 per person; course is $95.00 for each FCF member, $130 for non-members. Join the FCF for only $35.00 - www.felineconservation.org Lynn Culver No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.5/1978 - Release Date: 3/1/2009 7:04 AM From lmorin67 at earthlink.net Wed Mar 4 10:17:57 2009 From: lmorin67 at earthlink.net (Laura Morin) Date: Wed Mar 4 10:18:01 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Tigers looking for homes.. downsizing.. Message-ID: <380-22009334161757546@earthlink.net> Some may be ex performers, orange and whites. Due to economy and job change,, there is a need to downsize. If you have room or know of someone who can offer a great retirement... let me know. These cats are located in Calif. I don't have the details, but if you are Serious, and can help.. please send me a note. No hurry. Laura Morin lmorin67@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090304/aff445fd/attachment.html From prometheus_horse at yahoo.com Thu Mar 5 20:34:36 2009 From: prometheus_horse at yahoo.com (Prometheus Horse) Date: Thu Mar 5 20:41:27 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Just an interesting article - no real subject Message-ID: <846210.83597.qm@web110709.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Well, with all the crap the hobby's been going through, figured it time for something other than bad news. ? Now, while this article may bother some people with a couple points made, tough cookies. *smiles* It was brought to my attention in a different forum and figured it'd be worth forwarding here. And before you crab to me about any undertones about this or that... this article appeared as presented in the London METRO newspaper, and you know how prudish Brits can be! ? http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?When_pride_comes_before_a_ball&in_article_id=541873&in_page%20_id=34 ? Park ranger who likes to tickle his lion's pride and joys Tuesday, February 17, 2009 Alex Larenty grabs Jamu by his 'mane-hood' Cat lovers come in many different forms, it seems. There are the ones who are content to stroke Tiddles on his tummy while he purrs on a rug in front of the fire. And then there are those happy to cup a fully grown lion's 'king of the jungle credentials' in their hand ? and squeeze them. Meet Alex Larenty, the park ranger not afraid to get up close and (very) personal with his lion pride. RELATED ITEMS Latest news bulletin Today's top news headlines ? The 50-year-old often scratches, brushes and massages his animals ? and has even been caught grabbing a young male's, er, mane-hood. 'I was showing another warden that Jamu trusts me completely,' he explained. 'People can't believe it's real when they see the picture. I have to tell them ?Yes, it's real, I am holding on to a lion's balls?.' Taking it lion down: Mr Larenty gives Jamu a paw massage Mr Larenty left his home in Britain to join the circus as a youngster and now works at a game reserve near Johannesburg, South Africa. He has spent six years developing his relationship with eight-year-old Jamu, who has starred in TV shows such as ITV's Wild At Heart. 'I don't use any magic techniques, I just offer them friendship,' he said. And anyone thinking the animals must be tame should think again ? they attacked and killed an intruder days after these shots were taken. Bringing fire as the light of reason to mortals and morons for better than two decades. Check out http://www.neopoa.com and become a more informed pet owner. Be a snappy dresser and help animals too! - NEOPOA has an online shop at www.cafepress.com/neopoa -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Of course, there is more to them, these are just a couple examples. Eventually, there will be forums. Each forum will be password protected and by membership only. Its all free. zoo Keepper forum will be strictly encrypted for security. But these are not until this summer. I need the article first. All articles will have author credit on them. Gary -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090306/9e18f138/attachment.html From jgillow at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 17:24:56 2009 From: jgillow at gmail.com (Jeremy Gillow) Date: Tue Mar 10 22:59:35 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) Message-ID: <01df01c9a1cf$0b654c20$222fe460$@com> This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed. commercial and sanctuaries only). Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. Deadline is 5pm March 13 to rulechanges@MyFWC.com http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm - Jeremy -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090310/723ce4a6/attachment.html From MySayber at aol.com Wed Mar 11 22:20:56 2009 From: MySayber at aol.com (MySayber@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 11 22:21:12 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) Message-ID: thank you for the heads up I looked last week for the proposed changes on the website and could not find them.........I exercised my rights too In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgillow@gmail.com writes: This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed? commercial and sanctuaries only). Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. Deadline is 5pm March 13 to _rulechanges@MyFWC.com_ (mailto:rulechanges@MyFWC.com?subject=Captive%20Wildlife) _http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm_ (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm) - Jeremy _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090311/735e878e/attachment.html From MySayber at aol.com Wed Mar 11 23:20:50 2009 From: MySayber at aol.com (MySayber@aol.com) Date: Wed Mar 11 23:27:03 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) Message-ID: I have a rooster that attacked my hand today with 2 inch spurs as I went to collect eggs, I drew back a bloody mess maybe FWC should add roosters to the class I too! My cougars never ever scratched me when they played as kittens with their claws this bad and never unsheathed them as adults even in play. In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgillow@gmail.com writes: This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed? commercial and sanctuaries only). Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. Deadline is 5pm March 13 to _rulechanges@MyFWC.com_ (mailto:rulechanges@MyFWC.com?subject=Captive%20Wildlife) _http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm_ (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm) - Jeremy _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090312/f9261bf2/attachment.html From lmorin67 at earthlink.net Thu Mar 12 11:05:53 2009 From: lmorin67 at earthlink.net (Laura Morin) Date: Thu Mar 12 11:05:54 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) Message-ID: <380-22009341216553953@earthlink.net> Ban Alchohol and cars as well....oh.. and dogs.. they kill more people every year....of course there are more of them.. but.,. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: felines-l@catbox.com Sent: 3/11/2009 9:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) I have a rooster that attacked my hand today with 2 inch spurs as I went to collect eggs, I drew back a bloody mess maybe FWC should add roosters to the class I too! My cougars never ever scratched me when they played as kittens with their claws this bad and never unsheathed them as adults even in play. In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgillow@gmail.com writes: This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed commercial and sanctuaries only). Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. Deadline is 5pm March 13 to rulechanges@MyFWC.com http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm - Jeremy _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l Need a job? Find employment help in your area. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090312/c2a355a5/attachment.html From MySayber at aol.com Thu Mar 12 11:20:01 2009 From: MySayber at aol.com (MySayber@aol.com) Date: Thu Mar 12 11:20:16 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) Message-ID: yeah! wait till its all dogs over 30 pounds class I , then the people will be turning out in droves to do something about it, But seems like unless it affects them they do nothing. In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:07:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmorin67@earthlink.net writes: Ban Alchohol and cars as well....oh.. and dogs.. they kill more people every year....of course there are more of them.. but.,. ----- Original Message ----- From: (mailto:MySayber@aol.com) To: _felines-l@catbox.com_ (mailto:felines-l@catbox.com) Sent: 3/11/2009 9:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) I have a rooster that attacked my hand today with 2 inch spurs as I went to collect eggs, I drew back a bloody mess maybe FWC should add roosters to the class I too! My cougars never ever scratched me when they played as kittens with their claws this bad and never unsheathed them as adults even in play. In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgillow@gmail.com writes: This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed? commercial and sanctuaries only). Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. Deadline is 5pm March 13 to _rulechanges@MyFWC.com_ (mailto:rulechanges@MyFWC.com?subject=Captive%20Wildlife) _http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm_ (http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm) - Jeremy _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l ____________________________________ Need a job? _Find employment help in your area_ ( http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) . _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l **************Need a job? Find employment help in your area. (http://yellowpages.aol.com/search?query=employment_agencies&ncid=emlcntusyelp00000005) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090312/d3ce6243/attachment.html From tashipets at yahoo.com Thu Mar 12 19:00:30 2009 From: tashipets at yahoo.com (W Tashi) Date: Thu Mar 12 19:07:18 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <840251.1825.qm@web63506.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Sadly, even then they probably wouldn't. There are breed & size "bans" popping up ALL OVER, & the dog community can't seem to get it together enough to effective fight these kind of knee-jerk reactions to a handful of incidents. Tashi --- On Thu, 3/12/09, MySayber@aol.com wrote: From: MySayber@aol.com Subject: Re: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) To: felines-l@catbox.com Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 12:20 PM ? ? yeah! wait till its all dogs over 30 pounds class I?, ?then the people will ?be turning out in droves to do something about it, But seems like unless it affects them they do nothing. ? In a message dated 3/12/2009 12:07:37 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lmorin67@earthlink.net writes: Ban Alchohol and cars as well....oh.. and dogs.. they kill more people every year....of course there are more of them.. but.,. ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: felines-l@catbox.com Sent: 3/11/2009 9:30:33 PM Subject: Re: [FEL-L] FWC comment deadline Friday (FL) I have a rooster that attacked my hand today with 2 inch spurs as I went to collect eggs, I drew back a bloody mess maybe FWC should add roosters to the class?I? ?too!? My cougars never ever scratched me when they played as kittens with their claws this bad and never unsheathed them as adults even in play. ? In a message dated 3/11/2009 12:01:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jgillow@gmail.com writes: This is the last week to submit written comments regarding the FL proposed rule drafts to change cougars and cheetahs to Class I carnivores (no pet ownership allowed? commercial and sanctuaries only).? Class II permits will also increase from 100 hours to 500 hours direct experience required if the proposed change passes. ? Herp and wolfdog owners are also affected by the rule drafts and may wish to submit comments. ? Deadline is 5pm March 13 to rulechanges@MyFWC.com ? http://www.myfwc.com/RULESANDREGS/Rules_Captive_Workshops.htm ? - Jeremy _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l Need a job? Find employment help in your area. _______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l Need a job? Find employment help in your area._______________________________________________ Felines-L mailing list Felines-L@catbox.com http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090312/14bd2b60/attachment.html From tim at lionlamb.us Sat Mar 14 01:14:45 2009 From: tim at lionlamb.us (Tim Stoffel) Date: Sat Mar 14 01:49:50 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Puppy mill bill introduced in NV :-( Message-ID: <1237011285.3146.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> HSUS hard at work here in NV. This bill is terible. Absolutely no exceptions for anyone who breeds a dog or a cat. Two litter lifetime maximum. Stiff annual registration fee. Mandatory microchpping. Confusing and vague standards for issuing licenses. License revoked if you don't make a child support payment. Social security number required on permit application for no good reason. And lots of other rubbish. Kill bill! Tim Stoffel -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Chris Reply-To: NVPetLaw@yahoogroups.com To: NVPetLaw@yahoogroups.com Subject: [NVPetLaw] Here it is Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:02:05 -0000 It is actually posted as SB 241 and was introduced today!!! http://www.leg.state.nv.us/75th2009/Bills/SB/SB241.pdf CHRIS __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database Yahoo! Groups Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 1 New Members Visit Your Group Give Back Yahoo! for Good Get inspired by a good cause. Y! Toolbar Get it Free! easy 1-click access to your groups. Yahoo! Groups Start a group in 3 easy steps. Connect with others. . __,_._,___ From catman at phonewave.net Sun Mar 15 12:16:58 2009 From: catman at phonewave.net (John Williamson) Date: Sun Mar 15 12:43:02 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Puppy mill bill introduced in NV :-( References: <1237011285.3146.234.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: The most stupid I've ever seen, in fact the lowest kind of trash... John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Stoffel" To: "REXANO" ; "EPOU" ; "The_FCF" ; "felines-l" Sent: Friday, March 13, 2009 11:14 PM Subject: [FEL-L] Puppy mill bill introduced in NV :-( > HSUS hard at work here in NV. This bill is terible. Absolutely no > exceptions for anyone who breeds a dog or a cat. Two litter lifetime > maximum. Stiff annual registration fee. Mandatory microchpping. > Confusing and vague standards for issuing licenses. License revoked if > you don't make a child support payment. Social security number required > on permit application for no good reason. And lots of other rubbish. > > Kill bill! > > Tim Stoffel > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > From: Chris > Reply-To: NVPetLaw@yahoogroups.com > To: NVPetLaw@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [NVPetLaw] Here it is > Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2009 01:02:05 -0000 > > It is actually posted as SB 241 and was introduced today!!! > > http://www.leg.state.nv.us/75th2009/Bills/SB/SB241.pdf > > CHRIS > > > > > __._,_.___ > Messages in this topic (1) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic > Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database > > Yahoo! Groups > Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > > Recent Activity > 1 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Give Back > Yahoo! for Good > > Get inspired > > by a good cause. > > > Y! Toolbar > Get it Free! > > easy 1-click access > > to your groups. > > > Yahoo! Groups > Start a group > > in 3 easy steps. > > Connect with others. > > > . > > __,_._,___ > > _______________________________________________ > Felines-L mailing list > Felines-L@catbox.com > http://www.breuckman.com/mailman/listinfo/felines-l > From lynnculver at hughes.net Sat Mar 21 12:09:10 2009 From: lynnculver at hughes.net (Lynn Culver) Date: Sat Mar 21 12:09:50 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] a golden opportunity in the sunshine state Message-ID: <00a501c9aa47$c7773c90$0300a8c0@D27046F1> http://www.felineconservation.org/fcf/a_golden_opportunity_in_the_sunshine_ state.htm Saturday, March 21, 2009. The better we do at raising our felines, the brighter our future will be. The next golden opportunity to take the FCF Basic Wild/Exotic Feline Husbandry Course is in the sunshine state on April 25th in Lake Worth, Florida. Panther Ridge Conservation Center is the course host. Students will have a unique opportunity to visit Panther Ridge the following morning. Combining the husbandry course with a facility tour doubles the learning value because information presented by the instructors is then experienced in real life at the facility. These special guided tours show students caging, husbandry, and felines. Panther Ridge is one of the very few private facilities that house rare felines such as cheetah, clouded leopard, puma, panther, and jaguar. The small cats that reside at Panther Ridge include ocelot and serval and caracal. For more information about this course, or to print out a registration form, visit the Feline Conservation Federation website upcoming events page at http://www.felineconservation.org/husbandry_courses/florida_husbandry_course _-_april_25,_2009.htm Today's interns, volunteers and employees at feline educational facilities, feline sanctuaries, and private zoos need to possess a broad base of knowledge to answer questions from the public about feline husbandry, and issues these cats face in nature. It is the personalized, one-on-one presentations that set the private facility apart from the large, and largely faceless, municipal zoos. Deliveries need to be factually correct to properly enlighten the public. The exhibiting of wild felines is a federally and often times, state-regulated, activity. The USDA is always considering new regulations and policies. States can even impose additional restrictions, such as prohibitions against any public contact, or off-site exhibit of certain species. Florida is one state with a long history of regulation that frequently reviews and proposes changes. The process to change regulations starts with the Fish and Wildlife Commission, and then is deliberated by a public committee of volunteers who offer their opinions and suggestions. Eventually a series of public hearings are held to give the animal stakeholders, the animal rights fanatics, and the citizens of the state, an opportunity to weigh in with their input. Right now Florida is considering a change to the regulations that moves the puma from a Class II feline, legal to possess for personal, non-commercial reasons, to a Class I animal, that may only be possessed as part of a business, and the exhibit of puma would require a $10,000 bond, or $2,000,000 liability insurance policy. Also under consideration are: regulation of hybrid cats, creation of a sanctuary category for closed-to-the-public facilities, additional experience requirements for any volunteer or employee working with regulated animals, and changes in cage requirements, to name a few of the proposals. There are definitely plenty of reasons to stay informed. When an open to the public facility sends their tour guides and animal keepers to the FCF Basic Wild/Exotic Feline Husbandry Course, they will return with knowledge of the 38 species of wild feline and where they are native and whether they are endangered. Students are taught about the Convention on Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) and how it regulates importing and exporting of wild felines, they learn about the Endangered Species Act, the Lacey Act, and the new Captive Wildlife Safety Act. They learn how the Animal Welfare Act impacts the care we give our felines. This information can then be passed onto the public during their personalized tours. In the contingency planning section, students learn about how to develop such preparations for emergencies and even practice in-group sessions. For those who are anticipating the acquisition of a new species of felines, the course offers a solid resource for cage design and construction for each sized feline. The basic health care section discussion of hand rearing kittens provides fundamental knowledge of potential problems such as calcium/phosphorus imbalances, aspiration pneumonia, and foreign object ingestion. The nutrition section provides the basics for designing proper feline diets. No doubt about it the ownership, management, and professional use of wild felines is becoming more regulated, more expensive, and requires more knowledge and expertise from those who are in the business, whether owners, employees, or volunteers. Taking advantage of continuing educational opportunities is an investment in the future of any commercial enterprise, and is a sound business practice that will pay in dividends of less accidents and injuries to animals, employees, volunteers, and the public. The Feline Conservation Federation offers one such learning opportunity. The Basic Wild Feline Husbandry Course provides a broad base of information that goes beyond just husbandry. www.felineconservation.org No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.22 - Release Date: 3/20/2009 12:00 AM From lynnculver at hughes.net Wed Mar 25 14:08:17 2009 From: lynnculver at hughes.net (Lynn Culver) Date: Wed Mar 25 14:11:25 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] FCF Feline Husbandry Course secheduled April 25 in Wellington, Florida Message-ID: <001101c9ad7d$6df50060$0300a8c0@D27046F1> The follow are important announcements concerning the next FCF Basic Wild/Exotic Feline Husbandry Course scheduled Saturday, April 25, hosted by Panther Ridge Conservation Center. The course location has been moved to the Panther Ridge Conservation Center, 14755 Palm Beach Point Blvd., Wellington, Florida The class starts at 8:00 am and runs till 5:00 pm. The registration fee is $95 FCF-members, $130 others. (registration fee includes lunch and a 149-page textbook) Lodging nearby is: Holiday Inn, 561-968-5000 Hampton Inn, 561-472-5980 (both motels are on Lake Worth Road, right by the Turnpike) Airport: West Palm Beach, just 25 minutes away. This course covers wild feline species, regulatory agencies, facility design, nutrition, health care, behavior conditioning, handling equipment and contingency planning. For more information visit the Feline Conservation Federation web site at http://www.felineconservation.org/programs_services/husbandry_courses.htm On Sunday, April 26, students may return to tour Panther Ridge Conservation Center, home to cheetah, jaguar, puma, panther, ocelot, serval and caracal to learn about the Center's enclosures, felines, enrichments, and husbandry practices. $15.00 tour fee charged. THE COURSE REGISTRATION MAILING ADDRESS WAS INCORRECT IN MY LAST ANNOUNCEMENT!!! To register for this course and/or tour Panther Ridge, send contact information and payment made out to: Panther Ridge Conservation Center 14755 Palm Beach Point Blvd Wellington, Florida 33414 The Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission are proposing new standards for employees and volunteers who work around wildlife and this course offers a perfect learning opportunity. The Basic Exotic/Wild Feline Husbandry Course has been recently completely updated making the course more valuable than ever. The nutrition section covers new materials on calcium and vitamins and diet designs. Health care has been updated with new information too. There are dozens of new photos of cages, fencing, materials and enrichments in the Facility section. The feline species section has better photos and better range maps. The student textbook is now 149-pages chock full of useful information to take home for future reference. For more information about Panther Ridge Conservation Center visit the website at: www.pantheridgesanctuary.org . If you wish to use PayPal to send your registration fee payment, you may send funds to the Feline Conservation Federation and note that the payment is for the Panther Ridge Husbandry Course, and include attendee names and phone number. E-mail Paypal payment to: treasurer@felineconservation.org Tour fee is $15.00 per person; course is $95.00 for each FCF member, $130 for non-members. Join the FCF for only $35.00 - www.felineconservation.org Lynn Culver No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.26/2020 - Release Date: 3/24/2009 9:19 AM From mindell at webtv.net Wed Mar 25 21:46:28 2009 From: mindell at webtv.net (mindell@webtv.net) Date: Wed Mar 25 21:53:06 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Tigers looking for homes.. downsizing.. Message-ID: Dear Lauren: Forgive me for using this need for homes for tigers for my own benefit. But it is out of desparation for myself that I am taking advantage of it. My name is Mindell Gaines. I live in BocaRaton, Florida. I have been a member of the FCF since the years back when it was called the Ocelot Club of Long Island. I have my wildlife license needed in the State of Florida. Here is my tragedy and can only hope that people like you can help me. My wonderful, awesome and beloved Serval Jimmy died last week at the age of 7 years due to renal failure. Cost was no object, but nothing helped. Problem: Have been going insane wih the loss of Jimmy and am in dreadful need of another serval to take care of. Will be glad to send all other information on request. PLEASE HELP! Mindell Gaines 7105 Rain Forest Drive Boca Raton, Florida 33434 561-451-0601 mindell@webtv.net -----Original Message----- From: Laura Morin Sent: Wednesday, March 4, 2009 12:17 PM To: felines-l@catbox.com Subject: [FEL-L] Tigers looking for homes.. downsizing.. Some may be ex performers, orange and whites. Due to economy and job change,, there is a need to downsize. If you have room or know of someone who can offer a great retirement... let me know. These cats are located in Calif. I don't have the details, but if you are Serious, and can help.. please send me a note. No hurry. Laura Morin lmorin67@earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.breuckman.com/pipermail/felines-l/attachments/20090326/7c9b4093/attachment.html From prometheus_horse at yahoo.com Sat Mar 28 21:05:44 2009 From: prometheus_horse at yahoo.com (Prometheus Horse) Date: Sat Mar 28 21:05:54 2009 Subject: [FEL-L] Comments and questions requested Message-ID: <512998.88864.qm@web110712.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Hi there everyone. ? Some of you know me, some of you don't. Either way, that's alright. I'm putting together an adjunct to NEOPOA's website to answer commonly asked questions and comments used in people defending the stance to regulate, ban, or otherwise restrict ownership and trade of animals. These could be comments used to assert a certain danger to any specific breed, or species of animal. Questions like "What kind of person owns [insert whatever here]?!?" or other such. Shout out/contribute whatever questions or comments you feel like having answered, or for those of you/us that do frequently answer questions for others, contribute any you wish to. I answer such a diverse variety of questions in any given day I can't really discern what are "Common" ones, or what derogatory comments are frequently heard by others. ? You can reach me at prometheus_horse@yahoo.com if you do not wish to post your query or comment to the open lists, but if you email me privtely please extract the name of the group from the subject line so I can tell it's a private email, but please leave the remainder of the subject line intact so I know it's not spam. ? Feel free to forward this request to any group or groups you deem suitable but please leave the body intact and make a note to email the responses to me privately as I am not necessarily a part of that group - the more questions and comments I receive, the more misinformation or half-truths can be dispelled as far as what passes for "common knowledge" by under-educated or uneducated individuals as far as the subject of pet ownership, whether traditional cats and dog or non-traditional pets of any description. The questions can be as specific as you like and I'll gradually work through the list to help build the website. There are no stupid questions, there are no stupid comments, there is only ignorance in some of them posed to us. Stupidity only happens when an individual refuses to accept a reasoned and logical answer because it crushes a bit of their perception of reality. ? Thanks in advance for the help and I look forward to a swamped inbox of responses. ? And for those of you who think "well, someone else is likely to say the same thing", that might be so, but you'll never know if someone else has so now's the time to speak it anyway. No worries, and it only takes a moment of your time. You might be surprised that you're the only one that did say it, after all. ? Tim Fuller President, National Exotic Owners and Pet Owners Association Bringing fire as the light of reason to mortals and morons for better than two decades. Check out http://www.neopoa.com and become a more informed pet owner. 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